Wednesday, January 28, 2015

Argentine born players capped by other national team

Argentina produced many football talents.   Some of them ended up playing for other national teams. This is my all-time 23 member team for Argentine capped by other national teams.  Some players were born in Argentina and went aboard to play asa foreign player, but others were born in a foreign country of Argentinian background.

Please also see my All-Time World Cup Team Index.

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GK: Ramón Quiroga (Peru)
Born in Argentina, Ramón Quiroga went to the World Cup Finals in 1978 and 1982, playing for Peru.  He is remembered for conceding 6 goals against his birth country Argentina, and Argentina advanced to the World Cup Final ahead of Brazil due to goal difference. The match was one of the most controversial in the history of the World Cup Finals. He began his career playing for the Argentine club Rosario Central before playing in Peru.
Ramón Quiroga 
GK: Carlos Trucco (Bolivia)
Born in Argentina, Carlos Truce played for a number of clubs in Argentina before moving to play for Destroyers, Oriente Petrolero and Boliva in Bolivia.  He also played in Colombia and Mexico.  He had 51 caps for Bolivia.  He started playing for Bolivian national team in 1989 and was their starting goalkeeper at the 1994 World Cup Finals in the USA, Bolivia's first ever World Cup Finals since 1950.

GK: Oscar Ibanez (Peru)

Oscar Ibanez earned 50 caps for Peru.  He played for various clubs in Peru from 1993 to 2008.  Since then, he obtained 50 caps, with the last match being on March 30, 2005. He has been one of the four to have played at least 500 games in the Peruvian First Division. He is of Volga German descent.

RB: Juan Carlos Tourino (Spain)

Touriño was born on 14 July 1944 in the Parque Patricios district of Buenos Aires to immigrant Spanish parents who had fled the Spanish Civil War.  He started his career with Quilmes in Argentina.  He went on to make over 100 appearances for the club. He moved to Real Madrid in 1971.  He won three La Liga titles between 1971 and 1976. He was capped by Spain once in a match against Hungary in 1972.

CB/DM/RB: Luis Cristaldo (Bolivia)

Born in Argentina, Luis Cristaldo  moved to Bolivia at the age of 15.  He played for Oriente Petrolero and Boliva in Bolivia before moving to play in Spain for Sporting de Gijon in 1998.  He also played in Argentina and Paraguay. His longest career were at Bolivar and the Strongest in Bolivia. For the national team, he was capped 93 times.  He went to the 1994 World Cup Finals in the USA.  He is Bolivia's national team record cap holder alongside Marco Sandy with 93 caps.
Luis Cristaldo 
CB: Fernando Ochoazpur (Bolivia)
Fernando Ochoaizpur was born in Argentina.  In 1990, he began his professional career with Estudiantes de La Plata. In 1993, he moved to play in Bolivia. He had played for various clubs in Bolivia, Argentina, Peru, Mexico and Ecuador.  From 1996 to 1999, he earned 6 caps for Bolivia. He was a member of their Copa America team in 1999.

CB: Gabriel Paletta (Italy)

Paletta helped Argentina to win the U-20 World Cup in 2005 before switching to play for Italy in the senior level.  At the time of writing, he earned 4 caps and went to Brazil 2014. He started his career with Banfield.  He went to Europe to play for Liverpool, Parma, AC Milan and Atalanta.  He also had a stint with Boca Juniors. At the time of writing, he plays for Jiangsu Suning F.C. in China.
Gabriel Paletta 
CB: Gustavo Quinteros (Bolivia)
Gustavo Quinteros spent his career playing for different clubs in Argentina and Bolivia.  His clubs as a player include The Strongest and San José in Bolivia. He also played for San Lorenzo de Almagro, Argentinos Juniors and Talleres de Remedios de Escalada in his native Argentina.He was capped 26 times for Bolivia and went to USA 1994.

LB: Mariano Pernia (Spain)
Pernia played for San Lorenzo and Indpendiente in Argentina before moving to Spain in 2003.  He first played for Recreative de Huelva, but it was in Getafe that he made his name.  In 2006, he moved to Atletico Madrid.  He first called up for Spain right before the WC Finals in 2006.  He would start three game in Germany.  He earned 11 caps for Spain in total. 

LB/RB: Ricardo Ismael Rojas (Paraguay)

As a youth product of Argentinos Juniors, Rojas started his club career in Paraguay before moving back to Argentina to play for Estudiantes de La Plata, River Plate and Belgrano.  He also played two seasons with Benfica.  At River Plate, he scored a famous goal against Boca Junior.  He was capped 7 times by Paraguay and went to play in the 1998 World Cup Finals.

DM: Luis Monti (Italy)

Luis Monti led Argentina to the WC Final in 1930 where they lost to Uruguay.  Four years later, he became an Oriundo and won the World Cup with Italy.  He was also remembered for getting injured at the Battle of Highbury in 1934. He started his career in 1921 with Huracán. The following year he signed with Boca Juniors but left without playing a game. He joined San Lorenzo. In 1930, he joined Juventus in Italy, where he played until 1939.
Luis Monti
AM: Matías Fernández (Chile)
Matías Fernández started with Colo Colo in 2004.  He won the South American Footballer of the Year in 2006 while playing there. He later played for Villarreal in Spain before moving to Sporting CP in 2009.  From 2012 to 2017, he played for Fiorentina.  For Chile, he played 74 times.  He went to the 2010 World Cup Finals and was a member of the 2015 Copa America winning team.

RM/RW: Mauro Camoranesi (Italy)
Mauro Camoranesi started his career with a tiny club named Aldosivi before moving to Mexico.  From 1996 to 2000, he played for 4 clubs in three different countries.  At Cruz Azul, he scored 20 goals and earned a move to Verona in Italy.  He stayed there for 2 seasons and moved to Juventus, where he reached stardom.  He earned his first cap for Italy in 2003.  From 2003 and 2010, he earned 55 caps.  He played a major part as Italy won the World Cup in 2006.
Mauro Camoransi
FW/LW: Raimundo Orsi (Italy)
Orsi was considered one of the greatest forwards in Argentina's history.  He started his career with Indpendiente in Argentina before lured away to play for Juventus. he won 5 league titles with Juventus.  Later in his career, he would play in Brazil and Chile.  He was capped by Argentina 12 times winning a silver medal at the 1928 Olympics.  He switched to play for Italy in 1929.  He was a star player as Italy won the WC in 1934.

SS/FW:  Omar Sivori (Italy)
Omar Sivori is remembered one of the greatest ever player from Argentina. He won the Ballon d'Or in 1961. After Argentina won the Copa America in 1957, he joined Juventus where he enjoyed 8 successful years.  He was credited with the resurgence of the club.  With John Charles and Giampiero Boniperti, he formed "the Magical Trio" with the club.  In Argentina, he played for River Plate.  After Juventus, he joined Napoli.
Omar Sivori 
AM: Miguel Montuori (Italy)
Widely regarded as one of Fiorentina's greatest players.  He started his career in Chile with Universidad Catolica before moving to Italy in 1956. He helped Fiorentina to win the league in 1956. He eared 12 caps for Italy.  Despite his talent and success, he was also regarded as an "unfortunate" player, due to his many runner-up medals, and his injuries, which forced him to retire during the prime of his career.

ST: Julio Libonatti (Italy) 
Libonatti started with Newell's Old Boys in 1917.  He was listed the first ever trans-Atlantic transfer when he moved to play for Torino in 1926.  He is still the second highest scorer in the club's history.  Internationally, Libonatti won the 1921 South American Championship with Argentina. He later represented Italy and won the 1927–30 Central European International Cup. He played 15 times for Argentina and another 17 times for Italy.

CM/AM/FW: Alfredo Di Stefano (Colombia/Spain)
The best player in the world before the emerge of Pele and Maradona. He was one of the younger member of the great River Plate in the 1940's.  In 1949, he moved to play in Colombia before moving to Europe in 1953.  He won 5 straight European Cups with Real Madrid. He was credited in turning Real Madrid into a legendary club. His international career was limited to the fact that Argentina did not select overseas players.  He played for Argentina, Colombia and Spain.
Alfredo Di Stefano
ST: Humberto Maschio (Italy)
With Omar Sivori and Antonio Angelillo, Maschio earned the nickname "Angels with Dirty faces" collectively as a group. In 1957, he moved to Italy to play for Bologna after Argentina won the 1957 Copa America.  However, it was in Atalanta where he became a star and earned a bigger move to Inter Milan.  For Argentina, he scored 12 goals in 12 games.  Later he played twice for Italy.

ST: Hector Rial (Spain)
Rial was known for his career with Real Madrid between 1954 and 1961. He was part of the team that won five consecutive European Cups, playing alongside Alfredo Di Stefano. He played professional football in Argentina, Colombia, Uruguay, Spain, France and Chile. Born in Argentina, he became a naturalized citizen of Spain.  He was capped 5 times by Spain.

ST: Enrique Guaita (Italy)

Enrique Guaita played for Estudiantes de la Plate before moving to AS Roma .  He was the top-scorer of the League in 1934–35, with 28 goals.  In 1936, he returned to  Argentina to play for Racing Club because he feared that he would be drafted into the army.  He was capped 4 times for Argentina.  While in Italy, he was capped 10 times for Italy.  He won the World Cup in 1934 with them, where he scored a goal in the semi-final.

CF: Antonio Angelillo (Italy)

Antonio Angelillo was a member of the "Angeles With Dirty Faces". He moved in 1957 to Italy after Argentina won the Copa America in 1957.  He scored 31 goals in 31 matches for Inter Milan in the 1958-59 season, the second highest record at the time.  He was considered to be one of Inter Milan's greatest players.  He also had a successful career with Roma an another stint with Genoa, Lecce and AC Milan.  He earned 2 caps for Italy.

ST: David Trezeguet (France)

David Trezeguet started his career in Argentina, but was snapped up by Monaco after a few games.  At Monaco, he was known for his partnership with Thierry Henry.  In 2000, he joined Juventus, where he stayed until 2010.  For the national team, he was selected to play in the 1998 World Cup Finals.  He was a key player throughout his career with France, earning 71 caps.  He won the World Cup in 1998 and then, the European Championship in 2000.
David Trezeguet

Honorable Mention
Attillio Demaria (Italy), Rinaldo Martino (Italy), Alejandro Scopelli (Italy), Matias Fernandez (Chile), Roberto Acuna (Paraguay),  Francisco Lojacono (Italy), Emilio Badini (Italy), Eduardo Ricagni (Italy), Bruno Pesaola (Italy), Dani Osvaldo (Italy), Jose Eulogio Garate (Spain),  Roberto Juan Martínez (Spain), Juan Antonio Pizzi (Spain), Atilio García (Uruguay), Franco Vázquez (Italy), Nestor Combin (France), Guillermo Franco (Mexico), Carlos Alberto Raffo (Ecuador), Marcelo Elizaga (Ecuador), Pablo Mastroeni (USA), Néstor Ortigoza (Paraguay), Gustavo Matosas (Uruguay).

Squad Explanation 
-- I am including players who have played for Argentina and switched to play for another team. 
-- Marcelo Elizaga is the alternative goalkeeper.
-- This blog included five players who won the World Cup for a different countries.  Raimundo Orsi, Enrique Guaita and Luis Monti won the World Cup in 1934 with Italy.  Mauro Camoranesi won a World Cup in 2006 while David Trezeguet won his in 1998.
-- The term oriundo (pronounced [oˈrjundo]; Italian plural oriundi) is an Italian and Spanish noun describing an immigrant of native ancestry.  Italy is known for selecting a large number of oriundo footballers throughout history. On this team, I have Omar Sivori,  Raimundo Orsi, Enrique Guaita, Luis Monti,  Julio Libonatti, Miguel Montuori, Mauro Camoranesi and Antonio Angelillo.
-- It is estimated that up to 25 million Argentines have some degree of Italian ancestry (62.5% of the total population), making a large player pool for Italy. It is not unusual for Argentine to play for Italy.
-- I tried to create an all-time team for Italian oriundo footballers, but I cannot find goalkeepers.
-- Ramón Quiroga was infamously known for the match against Argentina at the second round of the 1978 World Cup Finals.  Most football history buffs knew about his Argentine background. He was actually a great goalkeeper.
-- Antonio Angelillo, Omar Sivori and Alfredo Di Stefano could have been the starting attack for Argentina at the WC Finals in 1958.
-- David Trezguet was born in France, but he was born there when his father Jorge Trezguet was playing in the French league.  David also grew up in Argentina.  The fact that they were Argentine of French descent made no difference.
-- There are not many good midfielders.  So I took Matias Fernandez who won the South American Footballer of the Year in 2006.  Injuries had limited his career. 
-- The last spot was very difficult.  I was seriously considering Hector Rial, Atilio García and Jose Eulogio Garate, but there were already many forwards and strikers on the team.  The team needed more midfielders.  I was looking at following midfielders: Pablo Mastroeni (USA), Néstor Ortigoza (Paraguay) and Gustavo Matosas (Uruguay).
-- Hector Rial was known for his career with Real Madrid playing alongside Alfredo Di Stefano.  Atilio García (Uruguay) is also the top scorer in the history of the "clasicos" between Nacional and Peñarol, with 35 goals. He played for Club Nacional de Football between 1938 and 1951.  Jose Eulogio Garate (Spain) is one of greatest players ever played for Atletico Madrid. 
-- Néstor Ortigoza was born in Argentina of Paraguayan father.  He was one of the few midfielders eligible for this team.  
-- Gustavo Matosas (Uruguay) was born in Argentina while his father Roberto Matosas an Uruguayan footballer was playing in Argentina.  So Gustavo is an Uruguayan capped by Uruguay.  Furthermore, he was a journeyman.
-- Pablo Mastroeni (USA) played over 60 times for the USA.  He went to the 2002 and 2006 World Cup Finals.  
-- In the end, I decided to select Hector Rial.  I just cannot select a lesser midfielder over a legend of Real Madrid. Because of his association with Alfredo Di Stefano,  he is probably the best known footballers left on the list.
-- My original blog team included Argentine footballers born overseas who played for other national teams.  In September, 2019, I changed to a blog team of Argentine-born players only.  Claudio Reyna was born in the US.  His father was an immigrant who came from a football family in Argentina. He is an American through and through, but I based his selection on ethnicity. Marcelo Bilboa was also born in the United States of an Argentine father.  Both players were on my original team. I replaced them with Hector Rial (Spain) and Matías Fernández (Chile)

Starting lineup
--  The defense is quiet weak.  Palette got to start because he had established himself in Europe while the other defenders never played successfully at that level.

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